I’ll make this
introduction short, because what can I write… one word is enough and it is
PROFANAL!!!!!!!!!! Fuck yeah, along with Horrid and Undead Creep, another
masters of true and classic obscure death metal from Italia! I liked this band
ever since I‘ve listened to their split 7”EP with Funeral Whore and that
impression has only been extended after I have been shredded by “Black Chaos”
CD. Ears bleed… fuck… OK, Kristian Cucchiara (guitarist) answered my questions!
I guess we can say that Profanal is not really so new death metal band, as you’ve formed it already back in 2005. Tell me, how did you all get together and what pushed you to form Profanal? This kind of playing wasn’t popular back then as much as it is popular today, but I understand that right from the start you’ve aimed to play obscure and morbid, Swedish influenced death metal?
Profanal was born
during a drunken night in our town in 2005, when Alessandro (guitar), Rosy
(vocals) and me (guitar) decided, just for fun, to create a band called
Profanal. In fact, at the beginning we were not too earnest but finally, after
many rehearsals with some musicians, Daniele (bass) and Nicco (drums) joined
the band and in 2007 our first demo was ready. At this time the influences were
various because in the past I played in a Thrash Metal band and Nicco too.
Alessandro played in a Heavy Metal band and Daniele in a brutal band. Rosy sang
growl in the past, but she didn’t have a real band. So, the first song was like
an experiment 'cause we didn’t know what kind of music would be resulted! We
only wanted to play in a raw way, obscure and loud; Old school Death Metal
sound satisfied all of us. We never have said: “Tomorrow we will play “Swedish”
death metal!”. Things came out naturally.
I cannot say anything
about both demos, which Profanal has released, so I’m quite curious about them,
“Rotten Bodies” especially. What can you tell me about both demos? I’m guessing
none of them is available anymore?
The first demo, was
called “Demo 2007”, it was a self-release, not a professional demo, just to
spread the name "PROFANAL" in the underground music scene. I don’t
know exactly how many copies we made, because we mastered at home the copies
each time we needed. The sound of this work is old school Death Metal for sure,
maybe too simply and unripe, but it was the reflection of us at that time,
cause we were searching the right sound!
“Rotten Bodies” was
the demo of 2009. The sound was more developed; the songs defined our old
school death metal sound, more personal than the first demo. Some songs of this
work like “Rotten Bodies” or “Putrescent Adoration” are still played in our
shows! We made 100 copies on professional CD and then Unholy Domain, an Italian
label, made another 100 copies in pro-tape. Gorification Musix, French label,
made another tape version too. Demos are no longer available, maybe some
distros or through E-bay have this stuff. Some people still ask for them, so we
are proud of these morbid works! Personally I would like that one day they will
re-published on vinyl.
“Rotten Bodies” was
released on tape by Unholy Domain Records. Is this something important to you,
to have a traditionally released demo, in classic cassette format? I mean,
until recently there were not so many cassette demos released, only very few (I
remember getting tape demos from bands like Kaamos, Necrovation, Crucifire,
about 10 years ago and after that mainly CDr or even mp3 demos!!)… but each
cassette feels like something special now, so how do you feel about having your
demo on this most archaic music format?
We play music that
sounds as twenty years ago, so the tape format is perfect because in that years
it was the usual way to listen it. I think that the sound is cool in classic
cassette 'cause more bass and little noise in the background create the right
old school atmosphere! Metal was born on tape and vinyl and I think that it
will die in this way! Nowadays some people still look for vinyl or tape because
for them is the only way to listen music. You know how many guys ask to us:
“when the vinyl will be out?”, “what about the tape?”, they don’t want the CD!
I guess it is good
then, although how many of them ask that only because it’s considered as being
cool and true if you have cassette… how many of them really like this stuff and
always have?
Anyway, moving
forward… “Rotten Bodies” demo was followed by two split 7”EP. I actually own
both and I must say that I really like these two releases, but “Two Morbid Ways
to Die” is my favourite one. How did you get in touch with Funeral Whore and
Obscure Infinity to release these EPs? I think you’ve played with both bands
several times live, so I guess there’s kind of strong comradeship between you
all? If so, what are your feelings regarding the last releases of both acts?
We have known these
bands on the web, through myspace. At the beginning we traded demos. Then we
exchanged gigs between Italy and Germany and so the friendship was born! With
Funeral Whore was the same, a great European alliance! haha... So, when we
decided to do a 7” split we asked to these bands to ratify our friendship!
On “Two Morbid Ways to
Die” the band recorded a cover version of Nirvana2002’s classic tune
“Mourning”. Any other covers planned for the future? I think I’ve seen you
playing Grave cover somewhere on youtube… Is there an Italian band (Necrodeath
or Bulldozer maybe??), which you would like to honour, recording a cover for
possible tribute album – if of course you like something like tribute albums
and would say yes, if someone asked you about participating in such tribute CD…
We always play a cover
in our shows. About Grave we played "Turning Black" and then “You’ll
Never See…”. Now we play “Spawn of flesh” by God Macabre, an underground cult
song. We're not interested at the moment about tribute stuff for an Italian
cult band.
You’ve also recorded a
low budget video for “Conquering Cemeteries”… Ha, I wonder what is the purpose
of such videos, other than putting something on youtube and maybe having fun
when recording it?
No, we made it just
for fun. Roy of Funeral Whore offered to us the chance to make this videoclip,
he has a great passion for video stuff (I call him “the Director”! hehe). It
was cool, can you imagine five Italians guys after some days in Amsterdam
(totally smoked) walking in a obscure Dutch cemetery? It was so funny. Video
was totally free, Roy recorded for us as an act of friendship, otherwise we
wouldn't make a videoclip.
Your debut album is
titled “Black Chaos”… I must say that I am very impressed by the production of
it, having in mind that it was recorded by the band. Tell me something about the
recording process of “Black Chaos”. Why haven’t you decided to use a
professional studio and how happy are you with the final effect?
It wasn’t the first
time that we made a “homemade” record, all of our works are recorded this way.
The professional studios are too expensive. Maybe it’s not the best but surely
it’s the most cheap and relaxing way. In my opinion mastering is more important
'cause it can change a lot the sound. That’s reason why we sent our recording
to Damien Herring and in fact the result is totally changed. We are happy about
the sound of the album. Raw, dirty, without fake drums…. Death metal!
Just wanted to ask
about it… that you’ve cooperated with Damian Herring for the mixing and
mastering of the split EP songs and now also for the debut album. This guy has
done a killer job for your band, but also for some other bands like Father
Befouled, Undead Creep, not to mention his amazing band Horrendous (their “The
Chills” LP surely belongs to my favourite death metal albums of the recent years).
How have you found him and started to cooperate together? How did it
(cooperation) look like, considering that he’s living in USA and you’re from
Italy?
It was when Dark
Descent Records, asked if we wanted to work with Damien Herring to modify a little
bit the tracks in the final master of 7" split "United in
Death". We have accepted and the final result was amazing! This is the
reason why we choose Damien for "Black Chaos". He knows Death Metal
sound and he immediately understood what we were looking for. The cooperation
was easy through e-mail and internet. .
I like the fact that
Profanal first released two demos, then some EPs and only now you’ve released
an album. This is so rare nowadays to see bands doing everything in this order,
so respect! You know, nowadays everybody’s rushing themselves, bands wanna
release an album as quickly as possible, even without the one demo… and that
results in many mediocre releases, with quality, which is not worth being on CD
or LP. Did you, as the band, really wanted to do everything in this order or it
just came out purely accidentally?
Yes, you're right! We
always thought that releasing demos is good to spread the name of the band in
the music scene. Make an album too much soon, can be a risk because nobody knows
you! We have released the album five years after our first demo and the people were
impatient. This is cool!
“Black Chaos”… What
sort of message would this title and the lyrical content of the album depict in
general?
Lyrics talk about
death, oppression, obscurity - classic Death Metal lyrics! Rosy used to write
the lyrics. Some are more personal, dark feelings that she felt, others are
more aggressive inspired by horror movies and books. The title "Black
Chaos" is taken from the track "Black Chaos Horde" and can
describe a violent and dark instinct inside everyone. We thought that this name
was perfect to describe our sound, simply and grim.
In many opinions music
like death metal should only deal with such lyrical themes as death, gore,
horror, evil and Satanism (or antireligious matters). Would you agree with that
or you also tolerate those social themes in the lyrics of death metal bands? I
mean bands like say Death, Dying Fetus or Gorefest have been releasing albums
with such social lyrics for instance…
We are not interested
to talk about political and social arguments. Everyone has his own way of
thinking in his private life. About Profanal, as you written, we talk about
classic topics as death and horror stuff. We are not explicit about religion
but it's pretty clear that we are anti-clerical.
From the other hand,
do you think people still care about the lyrics, do they read them at all? I
wonder about it, as so often they are happy having soulless mp3 files, even
without the artwork, so something like lyrics may be completely meaningless to
them… But personally I often like to read the texts, only another problem is
that so often the metal lyrics are full of bullshit…
A lot of lyrics are
bullshit and very trivial, but at the same time writing is not so easy and
everyone have a different perception of things. Artwork and lyrics are very
important 'cause they help to understand better an album to create the right
atmosphere that the music wants to communicate. People that listen only mp3
stuff are assholes!
I must say that I
really like the bands, which develop some historical or mythological themes in
their lyrics. Often it is more interesting to read something like this, for
example about IIWW, than another useless satanic crap… What do you think? Would
you imagine Profanal to write about the Ancient Rome for instance or the name
of the band puts you in narrower box, so you just must concentrate on… well,
profanations hehe?
I don't think so... We
like history but we will never write on Ancient Rome as a concept! I think that
it's not easy to write this kind of lyrics in smart and great way. The risk is
to appear a little trivial...
Would you say that
Profanal has its own style, within this old school death metal genre? I’m
asking this, because obviously you’re clearly influenced by the classic Swedish
death metal scene, but to some – like myself – originality has never really
been a key factor why I like this band and their music or why not… So, what you
say – do you try to be original and different, or you just want to play what
you like and feel passion for? And if so, how would you recommend Profanal to
those, who have never heard your band before? Why would they have to pick up
“Black Chaos” from the flood of similar old school death metal releases?
We are not interested
to experiment anything! We feel that Death Metal old school is the right way
for us. Profanal play Death Metal in the "old” way, take it or leave it! We
don't make business with our music, we play just for passion! Of course it's
important to try to find new solutions, for example in the sound, to create a
personal style. I think that in "Black Chaos", and especially in
“Rotten bodies”, the sound of guitar is "Swedish" for sure, but more
obscure, that reminds me the "Finnish" sound. I believe that we have
a personal way to play this kind of Death Metal; it's different from other
bands with "Swedish" sounds, for example Undead Creep or Graveyard
from Spain.
Surely it is less
melodic and more obscure, I agree. One of my favourite songs from the CD is
“The Bright Light of Death”. Definitely, I love the riffing in it and that
strong melodic accent, right from the classic Swedish death metal records. How
did it happen a song like that have been created and why did it end up to be an
instrumental?
When I start to write
a song I don't know what will be its end. The first part was born like an
overture. I tried some solutions but we have thought that it was perfect
without the voice. I love this song of course and I'm glad that you appreciate
it because it's the reflection of one part of me, inspired by bands like
Paradise Lost or Katatonia. We decided to put it in the end because we didn’t
want to break the fury of the album.
Recently more and more
old bands come back from the grave, to play some shows or to record new music.
We’re expecting new Carcass LP this year for instance and I just learned that
bands like Ceremonial Oath and many more are also coming back. What do you
think about all this madness? I stay very skeptic about most of those come
backs, although I don’t deny that new LPs from Desultory, Asphyx, Interment, to
mention these few, have crushed me badly. Definitely I love those works! But I
also respect Bolt Thrower, for not putting out new album, as they just say that
they feel it may be impossible yet to make a better LP than “Those Once Loyal”…
respect!
...now this is the
time of revival. In the past, extreme Metal was hard to find. There were only
fanzines, not so easy to find them. Now, with internet, it's more easy to know
this kind of Metal and a lot of bands try to ride this "new" wave
making a reunion. Some bands do this in genuine way and others only to make a
business cause they don't have Death Metal mentality anymore.
Apart from Profanal
and Undead Creep, as well as Horrid, is there anything interesting going on in
the Italy, speaking of death metal? Oh, I must say that I also like Hour of
Penance quite a lot, their last CD is killer.
In Italy, there are a
lot of good bands that play Death metal in the right way! And I can say it
because we have shared the stage with these bands and we know them! So I can
suggest to listening bands like Necro (that play a Death Metal like Autopsy,
Carcass, Impetigo), Blood of Seklusion (last album is awesome) and Hateful (with
a sound like Morbid Angel), Slowly Suffering (listen to the demo “Condamned to Suffering”,
a masterpiece!), Sickening (that play Death in a Brutal way) and then Voids of
Vomit, Imposer, Blasphemous Noise Torment, Blasphemophagher and Eroded.
I’ve seen that some of
you play in band called Kaula. What is this band like?
Kaula is a side
project of Pietro Riparbelli (http://www.pt-r.com/), an artist and musician
that play noise/drone and dark ambient. He lives here and one day he offered us
to make a Black Metal album with experimental parts of Pietro. The album was
released by Doomentia Records, last year. It was a good experience for us. I
have never played Black Metal before, especially in this way ... I suggest to
listen it! It’s a very particular work and mystical.
Would you mind saying
something about the nearest plans of Profanal? Are you going to play some gigs
now, promote the album somehow, or maybe you’ll get another EP or something
else soon? Please let me know. I also wonder if the vinyl version of “Black
Chaos” is going to crush the analogue players??
The album will be
promoted with gigs. We have already played in Prato, Parma end Rome. In a few
weeks, it will be announced a mini-tour in Europe, that will touch Germany,
Holland, Belgium and France. We are working on the last details. Then we will
be in Italy again on April the 13th in Bologna for Into the Void Festival. We
are writing new killer songs and the next projects maybe it will be a 7"
single or a split, we don't know yet... Vinyl version of "Black Chaos"
will be out soon by Iron Tyrant Records.
How do you actually
imagine the next full length release from Profanal? I’m asking this, cause back
20 years ago quite many death metal bands, after one or two albums, completely
changed their styles… I can mention many such bands, for instance Xysma,
Convulse, Amorphis, Disgrace (all from Finland), Tiamat, Wombbath, Entombed
(from Sweden) and from other countries bands like Paradise Lost, Gorefest… I
wonder if the same will happen now, with so many new old styled death metal
bands. Why, do you think, they all have been changing their music back then?
What was the reason for that? Lack of motivation to play classic death metal,
feeling bored with this or maybe they all just lost their passion from the
youth? Did you like for instance all that death’n’roll, which Convulse, Xysma,
Entombed, etc have developed?
People that played
Death Metal in a teen age sometimes changed their taste in the years after.
Others want to earn money and they try to live playing more popular music. It's
a choice in life. The next Profanal album will be Death Metal as ever, 100% no
compromises! I like that when someone think about Profanal band, he thinks
exclusively Death Metal!! .
OK, let’s finish here.
I hope you’ve enjoyed my questions and I also hope to hear more killer tunes
from Profanal soon!!!!!!!! Take care!
Thanks for the
interview Martin. Death Metal motherfuckers can find us on Facebook, Myspace,
Youtube or see you all in the graveyard!
We’ll see you there,
I’m sure, I just must remember to take my shovel, so we can dig out some nice
fresh corpse and have a feast! Or will the corpse have a feast on us…? Who can
say? Take care!
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