THUNDERWAR - interview with Witold
This young band stormed
through the underground with no hesitation and quickly became one of the most
recognized new acts from the Polish death metal scene… and all that thanks to
only one, self financed EP "The Birth of Thunder" and some seriously
awesome and important gigs, which were lately performed. Yes, Thunderwar is a
name to remember. At the moment they’re working on the debut full length album,
but this conversation is still mainly dedicated to the debut recording and
beginnings of the band. So read it, enjoy it and support Thunderwar, as I am
quite certain that with the upcoming album they’ll get some serious
recognition. Witold answered my questions!
Hi there Witold. Ha, I must
admit for me this is quite unusual way to do interviews, but I hope everything
will go well. I wonder first though, how many interviews have you guys answered
recently? I mean Thunderwar all of a sudden became quite well know band, not
only in Poland, but in the world underground! And everything seems to go so
quick with you - you appeared out of nowhere with self financed MCD and without
a help of a label you managed to get it promoted decently and get recognized.
I'm sure you must be quite happy with how the things are going, right? Have you
expected this to happen?
Hi! It's true. Thunderwar has made significant
progress since the release of the EP. I admit I'm really happy with it, but I
was sure it would have a positive response in both Poland and abroad. We've
really put a great deal of work into the releasing of this material (and money
as well haha). Finally I believe that the investment returns to us every day.
Since then, we've received a lot of really cool offers and we're getting them
still.
Does it put any sort of
pressure on you, when composing the new album? I mean, the great and positive
feedback on "The Birth of Thunder" also creates the expectations in
maniacs, who will want to hear more and even more deadly stuff. How do you cope
with these expectations? Or maybe you simply do not bother and just play what you
have in the guts... and the effects will come later...
With releasing ”The Birth of
Thunder”, we've raised the standards, but I know that my band is developing all
the time and we're not straying from the taken course. We've received a lot of
positive feedback, and played big shows, but we're not resting on laurels but
still pushing forward. It's only the beginning of our journey. While creating
music, I try not to be under any pressure or constraints. I believe it would
have a harmful effect on the truthfulness and quality of our music. I want
everything to come out naturally.
Were you surprised with that
positive feedback you received for "The Birth of Thunder”? I mean, you're
a total newcomer, with really young guys in the lineup and already your first
official release gets such a good reception. It must be a great satisfaction
for you and stimulation for more! It surely met your expectations! What
opinions have stack in your mind the most? Do they come together also with gigs
offers and contract offers from the labels?
As I've said before, I was
prepared for the positive feedback. Having heard lots of Heavy Metal, I have
far too much of an ear for it, and criticism for my own work, to release some
shit material. It's really nice to read the enthusiastic opinions about our
MCD, whether it's from the critics or just posted on forums and in comments. It
reinforces our conviction that we're heading the right direction. One thing
that was certainly a big distinction for us, was playing shows with Amon Amarth,
Obituary and Carcass in September. It was a great experience enabling us to see
how this world functions ”behind the scenes”. As far as the contracts are
concerned – we've had a couple of offers, but we'd rather not search for a
label until we've released our complete record.
I mentioned the age of all of
you and I really base it on your photos only, where you look like the early
20's. Well, tell me then, how have you all discovered the lethal music? What
were your first encounters with it and more so, since the music of Thunderwar
is rather old styled, then what pointed you into the old school direction? Was
it just natural thing? Or maybe you don't agree and don't see your music as old
school? Which classic albums would you say have the biggest influence on you?
I was lucky that in my home
noone listened to shitty music. It was really thanks to my parents that I got
to know bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, or Metallica (this still being
before the time of the internet haha). When I started maturing, I felt the
hunger for extreme music. The breakthrough for me, was seeing the music video
for Kreator's ”Betrayer”, which literally blew me away. This was what I was
looking for! Later it was like an avalanche... I lay my paws on the records of
Morbid Angel, Sodom, Unleashed, Death and Immortal. When it comes to the old school
spirit in our music – we refer to the roots of the genre, but we don't want to
do historical re-enactment. We believe that music in those times was more
honest and natural. I completely don't understand those plastic-dripping,
modern death metal bands. Dave Brockie, in one of his interviews, once said ”I
believe that today's metal sounds like a load of instruments thrown down a
staircase”. I agree comple
tely. The digitalised sound and overdone editing,
serve metal no good. Of course, I don't want to generalise, because I only
refer to the trend which, I hope, is at its end. As far as I can see, there is
a tendency to return to the live and natural sound. The proof of this, for example,
is the recent work of Tribulation. As for the albums which have had the
greatest influence on me – the milestone is Dissection's ”Storm of the Light's
Bane”... it's just perfect in every detail. One of the best albums in Heavy
Metal history. Next comes Bathory's ”Blood Fire Death”, Iron Maiden's
”Somewhere in Time”, ”Agent Orange” by Sodom, Judas Priest's ”Painkiller”,
”Symbolic” by Death... I could keep naming without end, since every single one
of these records continuously inspires me.
You mentioned the newest
Tribulation LP. I see it, as well as Morbid Chron and Miasmal latest efforts,
as some sort of new quality within this rotten old styled niche. I even foresee
that they may create some sort of new sound and trend... How did you like these
new LPs? And also some other newer old school death metal bands, many of which
are just utterly killer... Any favourites there? More so, you mentioned such
Iron Maiden and Death... and I bet that for you, as a guitarists, the guitar
work in these bands, and also of such James Murphy, is very influential...
Tribulation's latest album is
definitely the one I like the most. A magical sound, the music composed in a
very original way and a great atmosphere. You can also hear the black metal
influences, like that of Watain or Dissection, which I consider a great
advantage. In spite of the whole thing sounding very oldschool, I believe the
final effect on the record to be very fresh. When it comes to the new bands,
which have caught my attention, I would highly recommend the Swedish Degial,
and The Dead Goats, from our home country. The first is a fusion between the
first productions of Morbid Angel and Possessed. The second one, a homage to
the Swedish bands like Entombed and Dismember. Of course James Murphy is a great
inspiration for me, just like the majority of the musicians, who appeared in
Death. I always liked the way he used the movable bridge. My top choices would
also be: Marty Friedman, Dave Suzuki, Jeff Loomis, Paul Gilbert and Yngwie
Malmsteen. Since I started playing the guitar I learned the feel / technique
from their tutorials. You can say they were the ones who taught me the most
haha. Until today, they're still a great inspiration for me.
And what can you say about
these gigs you played with Amon Amarth and Obituary. How did they happen? I
must say that while I completely don't care about Amon Amarth, then Obituary is
a legend, one of the first death metal bands, which I started to listen to back
in 1991. So, I bet that also for you it must have been a honour! What were
these gigs like and also, did you have a chance to talk to the guys from more
known bands? How was the feedback and the whole gig like?
It happened that we were just
given an offer to play these concerts. As I said before it was a great honour
for us, especially that we only have one single and an EP released. Both shows
were really well organised and we had the opportunity to present ourselves in
front of a great audience. You know, Obituary and Amon Amarth are really big
bands and integrating with fans is really tiring for them.
I myself don't like being a
nuisance to anyone, so we only exchanged some casual small talk and I gave some
of the members our EP. I think the impressions from our shows were positive
since all of the records and T-shirts, we had in our merchandise were sold out.
Back to history of the band… Thunderwar was formed under the name Perun... and I must say that such name would never tell me that we're dealing with a death metal band, as Perun fits some pagan / folk metal bands better hehe. So, I suppose it was a main reason why you have changed the moniker? Do you remember how you guys gathered and formed this band? Who came with initiative?
The main reason for changing
the name, was the problem with foreigners pronouncing it right and the fact,
that there already are a few bands with that name. We wanted to have a name
which is unique and original and finding one was a hard nut to crack. It was a
miracle that our present one wasn't taken. When it comes to the band being
formed, here, as usual, we have a completely trivial and spontaneous story. I
met Madness at some party and the next day he invited me over for Perun's
rehearsal, where he was bashing away at „something” with Vit. I quickly
realised, that this band might become
something more and I brought a song over to their rehearsal, which we later
called “Eagle of Glory”. Soon after Olszak joined in, and that's been the
lineup since then.
Lyrically there's a song about
mythology, another one about the vikings riding over the Lindisfarne... Do I
sense that the master Quorthon has influenced you, speaking of the lyrical
themes? More so, what is the song "Eagle of Glory" about? Why is this
track mentioned as a bonus on the EP?
Of course Bathory and
Unleashed has had an influence on the lyrical aspect of Thunderwar's music.
Still I'm mainly influenced by Quorthon's music, which you can hear in the
title track and the instrumental track called „The Birth of Thunder”. The
lyrics on our EP are separate stories about ancient cults and mythologies. The
lyrics on our upcoming record, however, will be more consistent and connected
to one another. As far as “Eagle of Glory” is concerned... I would like to
leave it to the listener's interpretation. The song was placed there as a bonus
track, because it had been released and published before, on our first single.
In some way, Thunderwar
differs lyrically from the majority of old styled death metal bands... I mean,
98% of them deal with the horror / gore / satanic / occult themes, which is
awesome, but the viking or mythological subjects are also fine (vide Unleashed
and old Hazael). But were you ever into horror stuff or it is not something
what lays in your interest? How did you come up with an idea for such lyrical
direction? I suppose that even the artwork for the EP distinguish you a
little... Hehe, no zombies, no inverted crosses hehe... Amazing artwork, but
not something what I would usually link with old school death metal hehe!
Honestly speaking I had never
been attracted to the horror / gore genre. I much more prefer the solemn and
epic atmosphere. It's probably because I've been a big fan of classical and
film music, since I was a child. However I am very interested in the occult and
esotericism, and so the future Thunderwar lyrics will touch upon those themes
as well. I'd still like
to stress that Thunderwar is not heading the pagan / viking
direction. We've got one such song ant that's enough for now. We'd rather not
limit ourselves thematically. The cover artwork is pretty unusual as for this
type of genre, but looking at Bolt Thrower and Dismember, you can see that we
weren't the first.
Apocalypse is a lyrical theme
for many metal bands and it's also popular in many books, movies, starting with
such "Terminator" and "Mad Max", ending with "24 Days
Later"... Nuclear annihilation, global freeze, the asteroids threat... I
personally think that the end may come rather from the outbreak of pestilence,
from a lethal virus, which can kill the mankind... Which of these scenarios are
likely to happen, in your opinion?
Honestly speaking I'm not
worried about the global apocalypse, but the most credible scenario seems to be
that our own stupidity will be the cause of our demise. So your vision is very
real, since maybe some eggheads have created a mutation of some lethal virus,
which can imperceptibly go out of control. We know such stories from the times
of the USSR. Still, history shows, that in spite of great calamities (the Black
Death epidemic in the 14th c.), humanity has always been able to get
back on its feet, and in the aftermath, would become more fit to survive and
powerful. For me, the end of the world will come, when I die in a car accident,
for instance. We're nothing more but bits of dust, placed somewhere in the void
of the universe and our existence is but a moment on the never ending timeline.
It's terrifying how little we know about the world.
Since you mentioned that new
album is about to be recorded and released soon, give me some more details on
it. Firstly, what are the new songs like, when compared to "The Birth of
Thunder" EP? Which direction do you think the new material is going?
Secondly, where do you plan to record and release it? Do you have many labels
interested in Thunderwar?
At the moment we're at the
stage of polishing the material. The songs will be more Black Metal,
atmospheric and dirty, than the ones on the EP. Of course the old school Death
Metal will still be there. We're not straying from the taken course, only
making it more radical. No song from „The Birth of Thunder” will be repeated on
our full record. We're also slowly beginning to work on the cover. We're
entering the Hertz studio on the 14th of October this year, so I
think that by December, the CD will be ready to be sent to the record
companies. Which label will take us under their wings, and when the premiere
will take place – this I cannot tell yet.
What expectations do you have
with the new, upcoming album? Is there aim, which you have, something you want
to achieve with it or you're just happy to have it released and to know that
some maniacs will maybe enjoy the music? I ask this also, cause you know, there
are some young bands, which make business plans or other shit and want to be
another Behemoth celebrities, behaving like stars, which they will never be...
Big ego is a problem of many bands today. What is your view on that?
First of all writing music and
playing live is a huge turn-on for me and gives me a great deal of
satisfaction. It's really an amazing feeling, when the people at our gigs chant
the chorus to “Vimana”, especially that we're a very young band. Our aim is
constant development, but without losing the honesty and authenticity. For all
the band members, the band means our life. As far as the business plans and pie
graphs are concerned, I consider it an act of pure stupidity. I would turn my
blind eye on it if the material spoke for itself, but unfortunately that's not
the case and never will be. I like Behemoth, especially for their last record,
but the guys have achieved their success through hard work and perseverance (10
albums!) and not some fucking pie graphs and idiotic films on YouTube. The
Swedes have about four „Behemoths” in every town, and every second one is in
Nuclear Blast, Century Media or Metal Blade. The bloated ego is mostly the
problem of the Polish bands. Since they cannot attract listeners with their
music, the best method is creating an ideology and a soaring ego.
I wonder what do you think
about all these sites like bandcamp, where people buy (!!) mp3 files of albums?
Call me old fashioned, but I just have no idea why would someone want to pay
for mp3, if he can buy the real CD or sometimes even LP for the same price?
Where's the point there?!
I don't think there's anything
wrong with it. To the contrary. In the western world, people regularly buy
records, but here in Poland hardly anyone does it, especially among people my
age. Mostly because of their price. I think that those who would firstly like
to get acquainted with the music of a certain band, would first like to spend
some change and listen to a few songs without leaving the house and waiting for
the courier. If they like it, most of them are likely to go to a shop and buy
the full album. Here people will just download those files from Torrent, paying
nothing to the artist.
While
this chat was in translation you managed to perform another important gig, one
with Carcass and Polish legends Hazael! Again, congrats for such an awesome
achievement. What impression these two old bands made on you? How did you enjoy
the whole concert and Thunderwar performance?
It was an incredible
experience for me. The moment our band was confirmed for the show, we realised,
we were aiming very high, and that playing before an undoubtedly difficult
audience, was a big challenge for us. I think we managed quite well. The audience's
reception and the sound was amazing, so the gig was excellent. It was a great
honour for us to be able to play, on the same stage, with such cult and
legendary bands. Hazael is a class in itself, and the gig, which Carcass pulled
off, was something I'll remember for a long time. I admit it was definitely one
of the best shows I went to and one of the best gigs I had the chance to play.
And
my last question is… some of you are or were also members of other bands like
Hell Patrol, Bestiality (Vit) and Hexfire (you). What can you say about these
bands? You’re in Hexfire, which plays the most annoying music ever created
within metal circles – power metal! I never understood the phenomenon of this
style and probably will never get infected by it… but I wonder how do you find
yourself playing this, so different style of music?
I was recruited to Hexfire
when I was sixteen. This was the time I was looking for my own lineup and the
lust for playing made me grab onto anything (once I even made my way through
some deathcore band, but this I wouldn't even like to admit haha.) The prospect
of recording an album with musicians such as Niclas Etelävuori (Amporhis), Novy
(Dies Irae,Vader) and Alex Holzwarth (Rhapsody of Fire), who made a guest
appearance there, was very attractive to me. The CD was released by Nightmare
Records. It's hard to talk about a band here, because it was more like a
project done by the Liszko brothers. I was just a workman. Hexfire hasn't been
existing for a long time, and my story in this lineup ended with laying a few
guitar tracks, during the recording session. I believe you got this information
from Metal Archives, but the status of the project, has been „split-up”, for
the past four years. To sum up, I gained some experience and got to know a few
people from the music industry. Still, as you've probably realised yourself,
power metal is not my kettle of fish. Bestiality, on the other hand is our
drummer's side project and it starts where Blasphemy and Destroyer 666 collide.
I highly recommend it to all those lusting for a reeking miasma.
OK,
cheers Witold for your time and competing this interview. It took us some time
to finish it, but I think the final result is not bad at all. Hope to hear the
new album soon, so keep on doing great work! Any words to finish this chat??
Thank you for the devoted
time. See you in the future!
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