I have quite few interviews ready for Panzerfaust#7, paper version, but most of them I will keep exclusive for it. But sometimes I want to make exception, to get more promotion and feedback for great, but little known bands. I did so with Departed Souls for example. And now I do with Peine. Fact that both are from Ancient Darkness Productions is just incidental, by the way haha! Anyway, Peine is great. Their cassette contains simply killer, dark and eerie music, which I recommend totally! Get it! And now read this interview!
Hello there, Andreas! Hope you’re
good?! I know this is the first interview you do for Peine, so I hope it will
go OK for both sides. Anyway, thanks for agreeing to answer some questions.
Hey there Marcin. Thanks, I’m doing OK. Yeah, first interview, so I better
make it interesting right... Thanks for taking the time to make it.
No problems. I had to, after the
shredding music you released! Well, it is the first interview, but I am not
surprised, as Peine is very little known. This band has released only one
cassette tape, the awesome “Peine Forte et Dure” in only 100 copies, so not
many people have heard it… I did my job, when describing the music of Peine in
the review, but how would you present your music in few words to the readers?
What can they expect from Peine?
I was quite flattered when I read your review and it’s always nice to
see when people make an effort to understand and immerse themselves into ones
work. I would like for the demo to be able to reach more people if possible,
and maybe do a CD version too. I always have a hard time explaining and
describing music to others as it has to do with feelings to me. But I usually describe
it as dark, peineful death metal. That’s what I’m striving for: dark,
atmospheric, sombre and appropriately gritty with melodies that stick. And they
can expect quality over quantity. As with my other projects I will never
compromise in order to make a lot of releases and I doubt that Peine will ever
make a full length album. I write only when I’m inspired to and if I don’t feel
I have good material, well that’s it then.
You’ve decided to make this project
as a one-man band. How come? Is it just your preference, to be a captain of
your own ship and you simply don’t like to cooperate with other musicians, or
the reasons are different? I mean, I can understand that it allows you to do
what you want with no compromises, but on the other hand more musicians can
mean more ideas, more influences, etc?
That is how I have
chosen to work. Creatively I think I work better alone and I like to be in
charge of my own ideas. I have a very hard time getting into ‘the zone’ when
there are other people around and I often have a pretty good idea of where I
want the music to go so I don’t want anyone interfering with that vision. I
will not compromise to please someone else and they would have to have a pretty
similar mindset to mine or I would be difficult to work with I think. But
you’re right about influences, plus it’s a slow process working alone so maybe
as a full band it wouldn’t take so long to get things done. But then again
maybe not, if you have to discuss everything…
Actually I saw that your two other
projects, Oath of Woe and Pugnator, are also a solo thing. It is interesting to
see you making music for three bands, but tell me what differences are between
all of them? What sort of influences do you look for each of them, so you know
that a certain riff or idea will fit Peine better than say Oath of Woe?
Well, lyrically there is a big difference between the bands and the
concepts or themes are pretty strictly outlined. Peine deals with medieval and
renaissance themes of death (and life), torture and disease. Pugnator deals
with war-related themes and Oath of Woe is fed by my personal state of mind,
thoughts and feelings. Musically, some days I can just sit down and write riffs
specifically for each project depending on my mood but most of the time ideas
just pop up when I play or emerge in my mind when I’m doing non-related every
day stuff. But I almost never have a problem figuring out which riff goes where,
I can hear that immediately as well as detecting if a riff is worth keeping or
it goes in the bin. But I have learned that you can’t force a good riff, the
initial idea has to come to me but then I can work on it from there. As for
influences it comes from everything I enjoy or hate, be it music, books,
people, events, myself etc.
Well, “Peine Forte et Dure” does not
sound like a solo project. I must say that I like that obscure, sepulchral
sound of this demo, as well as the gloomy aura which embraces these sounds…
it’s just unique, blood freezing, eerie mixture of death, doom and even black
metal. There are comparisons to such Necros Christis, Grave Miasma,
Doombringer… but I am not sure if you find their music as influential for you?
Anyways, the result is simply killer!
Well, thanks very
much. It’s always a big compliment to me when people say it sounds like a band
because I always strive to distance myself a little from the “usual / average”
one-man-band with shitty, boring drums and two chord arrangements. Of course
it’s hard to excel at every instrument therefore I focus on the things I try to
do well like mood, atmosphere and melody which I think is the most important
thing in a Peine song. You see for me it’s ALL about the good catchy riff / melody
and then atmosphere. If you have that you can’t go wrong in my opinion. And
maybe just a minimum of musicianship...
Sure, I adore the feeling I get from listening to especially the older stuff from Necros Christos and I think they have been an influence in creating the atmosphere of Peine. Along with Grave Miasma, Embrace of Thorns, Black Witchery, Archgoat and many more. I had long had an urge to make some real heavy death metal and the first riffs date back to 2008, but it wasn’t until fairly recently that I put the whole “concept” together.
Sure, I adore the feeling I get from listening to especially the older stuff from Necros Christos and I think they have been an influence in creating the atmosphere of Peine. Along with Grave Miasma, Embrace of Thorns, Black Witchery, Archgoat and many more. I had long had an urge to make some real heavy death metal and the first riffs date back to 2008, but it wasn’t until fairly recently that I put the whole “concept” together.
How was the recording process like?
Are you satisfied with the result, with the arrangements and the production you
achieved on this demo?
I record everything at
home through an analogue mixer to a digital media and then mix it on the
computer. I usually lay down a guitar track and / or a click track to help with
the drum recording and then put everything else on top of that. I’m more
comfortable and relaxed doing it that way and I’ve really only used a recording
studio once to make some demo stuff. Sometimes a long time can go by in between
recording sessions but this one went fairly smooth. Overall I’m happy with the
result. I more or less got the sound and atmosphere I was aiming for but there
is always (and should be) room for improvement and I don’t think I will ever be
100 % satisfied with anything I do. It never goes exactly as planned or
intended but sometimes that is also a good thing because you may gain new
perspectives or ideas.
There’s a song titled “The Pinnacle
of Pain (Torture of William Lithgow)” on the demo. Hmm, tell me something about
the lyrical content of it. I tried to find William Lithgow in google and it
showed some results, but I am not sure to whom is this song referring to or
maybe it’s just a fictional character you came up with? Anyways, one of those
Lithgows that I found was actually tortured in the Malaga dungeons by
inquisition, so that may be a good theme for the death metal band.
Yes, you got it right.
William Lithgow was actually a Scottish traveller and writer who was mistaken
for a spy and imprisoned and tortured by the Inquisition in 1620. He was
eventually released and returned mangled and broken in body and spirit to
Scotland in 1621. He was presented before the royal family and he gained so
much sympathy that they sent him to Bath to recover his strength but he
remained maimed for the rest of his life. He was one of the few who actually
lived and wrote about his experience and the lyrics for the song are excerpts
from his own personal accounts. His descriptions of experiencing the rack and
the strappado are very disturbing and it’s quite a wonder he survived. His
story suited Peine perfectly as regards to the lyrical themes aforementioned.
I wonder if you like extreme metal
songs, which have lyrics based on some historical events, historical
characters, etc? Personally, I do. It allows you to find out some interesting
facts, so I sometimes do more research… especially the dark medieval ages bring
many awesome stories, persons, as these were hard and cruel times. I feel like
Peine deals a lot about these old times, even Pestarzt on the cover is
referring to it.
I think it’s cool if the lyrics are well written or taken from original
texts but it can get a little corny if they are just copied from a history
book. Yes, the Pestarzt is definitely a reference to the overall concept of
Peine as well as the very subtle noose and scythe haha. My personal favourite
is probably Macabre who I enjoy very much. I have read a lot about serial
killers because of them haha. I also love Running Wild’s historic lyrics
although very coloured by Rolf but that’s fine. In my experience it’s more the
folk metal bands who base their lyrics
on historic events and I don’t listen to
very much of that besides Cruachan and Skyforger, but of course there are other
good exceptions.
“Pope to Pedlar” is based on “Dance
of Death” by Hans Holbein. He created some stunning woodcuts, which depict
death in many disguises. It’s almost unbelievable that someone so religious was
able to create such an dark and eerie art. How inspiring is his work for you?
I wanted to do a song
about the dance of death and what it meant to the people of the time but I
couldn’t say it any better than Holbein himself so I ended up just rearranging
his words a little bit. Death was much more present in everyday life than it is
today with a high infant mortality rate, low average life expectancy and
multiple incurable diseases to make you an early corpse. I don’t know if his
works are particularly inspiring to me, it’s more the perception of death of
the time that appeals to me and in that way his art makes good sense. If you
were very God fearing the concept of the torments of hell and the consequences
of a sinful life are terrible and omnipresent. If you only have this life to
prepare for the true life beyond then you better be good or the punishment will
be devastating. For all people, no matter high or low. That is what his art
represents to me, a reminder that we are all equal in the eyes of Death. In
there lies a lot of social criticism and of course it met heavy resistance from
the church...That goes for the perception of torture as well which is obviously
very different today (for the most part). Scholars argue that in the middle
ages often the truth was actually seen as a physical essence of the body that
could be obscured by earthly life, sin etc., and that it could be extracted by
inflicting pain. By “digging” out the truth so to speak, therefore the modern
concept that a person under torture will admit to anything does not apply to
the medieval way of thinking. It just means that if a person does not confess
you haven’t dug deep enough... Of course that resulted in a lot of confessions
and a lot of recanted ones...
Back to the music… I seriously think
that “Peine Forte et Dure” should be spread more than just 100 copies, it
cannot just stay so damn limited, so tell me, are there plans for CD or vinyl
version also? More so, what feedback have you or Ancient Darkness been received
on this cassette?
As mentioned earlier I
would like to do a CD version or something but there are no exact plans for the
time being. Liam tells me that the feedback is good especially from abroad but
there are still copies available so go buy one dammit! I have done next to
nothing to promote the tape myself so I guess it’s no wonder business is slow.
You mentioned something about the
upcoming split EP, so unveil some more secrets about it, please. I actually
think your music would be perfectly to Deiquisitor haha!
Yes, I’m doing a split
with the Danish band Cerekloth. Pretty cool and the Cerekloth track is killer.
It shouldn’t be too long now, the tracks and most of the artwork is done so
just the details are left. The Peine track is in the vein of the demo and the
lyrics are about the Auto-da-fe which was a public mass punishment and
execution held every couple of years by the Inquisition as a form of feast and
deterrent for the general public all at once. Very nasty stuff indeed.
Well thanks, I take
that as a compliment, Dequisitor is pretty cool.
It is! And what about the bands I mentioned
above, Oath of Woe and Pugnator. Any plans for new releases from them? They
seem to be silent for a longer while now, so I wonder if you still feel an urge
to continue them all? I understand also that Peine has a priority now?
I have been working on
an Oath of Woe full length album for quite a while now and it will happen
sometime but progress is slow as I only work on it when I’m in the mood for it.
Pugnator is on hold indefinitely as I feel I have exhausted my ideas in that
direction for now. But I would like to release a CD with the demo and a couple
of ‘new’ unreleased tracks I have lying around. My focus is now on getting the
Peine split 7” out and then I probably have material for a couple more songs
and then I will need a break from that too. I guess my attention span is kinda
short haha... Then I have other projects waiting.
For the end I would also ask you
about the scene in Denmark, as it seems to be rather little known… and to be
honest, I like only few bands from there, like Autumn Leaves.
Agonize,
Exmortem, Iniquity, Caustic, Illdisposed (well, only few early releases from
them)… plus newer bands like Deiquisitor, Mûspellzheimr and Peine. How come
then that Denmark is so much less appreciated than other Scandinavian
underground scenes? Were they all unlucky or what?
I actually don’t
follow the Danish scene that much so I’m pretty clueless as to what is
happening at the moment. But I know there are / have been a few good bands
around, just to name a few besides those you mention, like Exhaust, Denial Of
God, Feikn, Nortt, Solhverv, Altar of Oblivion etc and a few newer ones like
Dwell, Encyrcle, Savage Machine, Ligfærd, so it’s not all bad. From what I know
the “scene” is mostly dominated by the trendy core metal and boring “brutal”
death metal. For the kids who are into that, the scene is probably pretty good.
To me Denmark has always been pretty underdeveloped with the exception of a few
gems. Why I do not know. There are lots of bands but I guess most of them just
sound like shit to you and me haha...
OK, thank you Andreas for the
answers. If there’s anything else you want to say, do so now. Take care!
Thanks for the
patience Marcin and thanks to anyone who supports Peine.